Screen Washer

Manual pump   Nozzles   Valves/filters   Convert manual screen wash to electric   Schematic

Manual pump

As simple as can be, and a testament to the quality of original rubber that they last as long as they have:

Nozzles

Two single nozzles on roadsters to 1977: (Moss Europe)

One dual nozzle on GTs to 1977: (Moss Europe)

Two black plastic nozzles on all cars from 1978: (Moss Europe)

Valves/filters

A one-way valve at the bottle is essential with the manual pump as otherwise the water runs back to the bottle as fast as you pump. Less so with the electric as pumping is continuous:

On Bee's bottle valve the valve flaps are visible so if there is a filter it must be behind those which would makes no sense:

Moss Europe indicates they only included a filter from June 73 with the change from the bottle to the bag:

In-line valve. Parts Catalogue says "13H6501 (was BHA4610)" but does not indicate where it was used, Moss Europe says "GWW504 GT" and others indicate GT only, Brown & Gammons does not list it at all:

However roadsters prior to 1977 have dual nozzles with a tee linking them whereas GT have a single dual-port nozzle. So the roadsters need a tee, and that tee includes a valve. Form 1977 both roadsters and GTs had that arrangement. The Parts Catalogues don't indicate by either the drawing or the description that this is the case, and the 77 and later catalogue seems to have a complete mis-match in item numbers between drawing and list, but one of the plain tees in the both catalogues depicted as 13H6472 includes the filter. GWW408 is a later number but few places seem to have either of them, some showing a separate tee and in-line valve with a short length of tubing to connect them:

Note that 13H6472 on the face of it needs larger bore tubing for the inlet port (and one supplier states that), whereas GWW408 ports seem to be the same (not known) size. The larger 13H6472 port is the same size as both pump ports, but one run of tubing connects the 4.7mm port on my bottle to the 5.7mm port on the manual pump.

Convert manual to electric

Dave Birkby   Ditto Bee

Dave Birkby: I tried to open the old pump to see if I could salvage it but I inevitably damaged the end doing so. Shame maybe because the problem was corrosion in the pump main bore that was simply jamming the plunger in the 'in' position. But as my plan was to fit an electric pump, I ordered a kit online which consisted of pipe, joiners, nozzle jets and a small momentary push switch, smaller diameter than the hole in the dash:

I found a washer in my tool box that had a 12mm inner hole (to take the switch) and 28mm diameter which fitted in the bore of the old pump:

With the bore cleaned up I put the original plunger back in and dropped the new switch in behind it:

I didn't want any 'noticeable' feeling of a gap between the two switches so I put a small light spring to keep the plunger out but not operate the new switch:

I cut the body down to within about 5mm of the steel washer and then cut tabs out of the body to hold the switch in. I bent the tabs over which worked well and I have since finished it off with a foam washer:

It feels decent to operate and touches the new one within about 5-6 mm of movement and returns nicely. And it looks like it did before.

November 2021: Ditto for Bee: I fancied doing the same thing myself before the pump gave me any problems but didn't rush into it. In the 'once a year operation prior to the MOT' I had a real struggle to get any water out which turned out to be the valve in the washer bottle foot partially dislodged. A moments work to fix, but time to think seriously about converting. I didn't want to mangle Bee's so got a used one from Andy Jennings, and a cheap pump off eBay. The tubing and nozzles can stay.

My pump looks shorter and fatter than Dave's, and with careful levering round the turned over edge of the alloy housing I released the plastic end-cap, and the rubber bulb and plunger fell out (incidentally unscrewing the slotted nut that holds it in the dash will also release the plunger on this type):

Pondering the switch to go inside, it suddenly occurred to me that a micro-switch might just fit in my large housing, and with a bit of tweaking to the NO and NC terminals on the side it does indeed go in and the contacts help it to stay there. The 'normally open' contact is on the end of the switch and touching the housing, which is probably at earth potential on the dash, so I connect an earth wire to that and have 12v at the pump, which happens to be how they are wired from the factory. I'll have to cut off the 'normally closed' contact so it doesn't touch the housing or it will operate the pump with the plunger released! The pump plunger is much narrower than Dave's and doesn't line up with the switch button, so I cut a circular disc to go between them.

With very little movement of the switch plunger the pump plunger would rattle about unless I positioned the switch very carefully, but a second plastic disc with a strip of draught-proofing foam between them results in a 'soft' feel and no rattle. Somewhere I have a packet of assorted springs bought decades ago, which may include a compression spring that would fit down inside the plunger to take up all play but would still need one disc, but needless to say I can't find them.

Thinking about mounting the switch I find there is just enough room inside the housing to push the switch all the way in, with another plastic disc on top to be held in place with the edges of the alloy housing turned back over again.

The pump plunger only moves about 3mm before the switch operates, which is less that I would like, but it does work and is really neat even though it won't be visible once installed!

I'll have to pull the tubing off the existing pump, and being tight see if I can use a short section of hose or tubing to join the two ends together behind the dash.

I Googled electric pumps and got a Peugeot item (left below) for under £4 which has a very large port which I assumed was the inlet that pushes into the bottom of the screenwash container, the other port being standard for tubing. The large port was going to be a bit of a fiddle to connect to tubing so I used it for another job (don't ask ...) and Googled again and this time found an Austin/Morris item with more conventional ports for less than £3! Testing that dry it's really noisy compared to the Peugeot item so I use the AM pump for the other job, and since I had come up with a way of reducing the large port to accept tubing for that job can use the same on the car.

However neither pump sucks water up when fitted with tubing on both ports and tested in a bucket! I can sort of understand it for the Peugeot pump as that is designed to connect to the bottom of the bottle and so is kept full of screenwash. Less so the AM item as although the port at one end is slightly bigger than the side port and I'm assuming that is the intake, unless it pushes into a receptacle sticking out of the bottom of the bottle it's not going to be kept full of water. That one blew air out of either port (connected to tubing with the end in water) if the polarity was in the appropriate direction, so why it doesn't suck up with the polarity the other way round (it didn't blow then) I don't know. MGB pumps are mounted to one side of the bottle but the intake tubing goes up to the cap and down inside. So that must be able to suck water up without priming as Vees which was removed from the car and dry for many months during the engine rebuild and repaint worked straight away on re-installation. So, I'll just have to get one of those for a tenner (GWW125, WSB100), and suck that up.

That arrived ... and didn't work! Some very weird and varying noises, a lot of sparking when testing on my battery charger, got hot very quickly as if it were partially seized, and no pumping. Message to eBay vendor and an immediate apology saying he would send another one out - good service. While waiting for that, and not returning the old unit I decided to have a look.

Three screws attach the mounting plate to the base of the pump so they come off, and I realise the bottom half of the plastic pump can now move.

Careful not to have miscellaneous bits flying around and not know where they came from, I removed it, and a rubber gasket comes with it. There is a brass disc left in the pump, and under that is a plastic disc, and then I can see the vanes of the pump.

I couldn't immediately see how they draw water in and pressurise it to get it all the way to the fine nozzles and give a good spray, but I also noticed some of the vanes were bent over. At first I thought it was damaged and that was the cause of the problem. But then I realised that the vanes turn clockwise with water trapped between them. At 'A' they are getting bent over so the space between them gets smaller, and the water is forced into the outlet port. At 'B' which is under the inlet port they are opening up again which sucks water in. Very clever.

Powered up like that the motor is obviously spinning faster and quieter and doesn't get hot, so that part seems OK. Putting it all back together as I'm tightening the three screws for the mounting bracket I realise they are clamping the two halves of the pump together - maybe too tightly. So I back the screws off a fraction until a tiny gap is visible. Testing now is a little noisier but not much, and it pumps water from the outlet with great gusto! So a dimensional issue. If the screws are left too loose screen wash will probably leak from the join, so that will be subject to some experimentation.

On to mounting. Amazingly there are three Posidrive screws in a row under the gutter just aft of my forward-mounted washer bottle, no clues in Clausager's pictures as to what they might be for, and two adjacent ones are close to the spacing of the holes in the pump bracket. It means mounting the pump upside down to fit directly as otherwise motor wouldn't allow the bonnet to shut, which might affect pumping, but to extend the bracket and put it the right way up puts the ports on the wrong sides. Solvable with longer tubing but initially at least I'll go for upside down. One of the screws comes out easily and the other after a bit of encouragement with penetrating spray and grips, then offering the bracket up shows its holes are just half a hole too widely spaced for the holes in the inner wing. But removing the bracket for the pump to avoid damaging the pump it's just a couple of minutes work with a needle file and I can fit it to the inner wing.

The screws only just reach the ends of the nuts in the wheel-arch but amongst the many nuts, screws washers and bolts I accumulated during Vee's reassembly I have two 1" stainless which do the job. If the pump being inverted causes a problem I have some alloy strip exactly the same width as the pump bracket to use as an extender.

Tubing is the next consideration. The existing tubing will just reach the pump with it inverted, but I'll need a short piece to get from the pump to the bottle, but what size? Measuring the various ports I get 4.7mm for the bottle, 5.7 for the manual pump I have modified (not necessarily the same size as mine as I haven't taken that out yet), and 6.1mm for the new pump! I don't see how I can go any bigger than 5mm ID tubing or it will be sucking air in at the bottle, and 4mm would be a bit of a stretch for the pump. As it is I'll probably have to warm them with a heat-gun to stop them splitting, especially the original tubing on the new pump outlet. However looking at eBay sources the minimum length is 0.5M at nearly 3, whereas 10M is less than 6! 10M will allow me to replace the whole length, avoid the join where the manual pump now is and should have less chance of splitting on the new pump than the original tubing, so that's what I go for.

With the pump in position, the tubing on order (but annoyingly and rarely for eBay sellers no info as to despatch after two days) and the switch ready to install, it's time to get the old manual pump out and investigate what's behind that. Two separate jets so I'm expecting a tee, but when I first looked into the subject it was confusing (subsequently resolved) as to whether there is a one-way valve there or not as there doesn't seem to be one for roadsters unlike GTs. First get the dash vents out and moving the corrugated tubing from the air-box out of the way I can see the tubing and tee (green arrow), and also the separate purple/white wires going out to the courtesy light door switches (yellow arrows) from a 4-way bullet connector feeding the courtesy light as they are not in the harness on this era.

By now it's apparent that (as well as looking like it's been in a wheel arch for over 30 years instead of behind the dash!) the tee includes the valve (13H6472).

Then by twisting the pump body back and fore and holding the 'nut' for the 'back' and releasing for the 'fore' it unscrews without having to use pointy pliers in the slots of the nut. Same type as the one from Andy Jennings i.e. the plunger and nut come out the front of the dash and the pump from the back. Untangle it from the heater cable and some wires and I can lift it out of the vent slot to get the tubing off the ports, and a bit more wiggling gets the short piece from pump to tee/valve off as well. Three days passed before I got any update from the eBay vendor which is annoying, and looking at their feedback there have been more than 50 complaints about non-delivery and incorrect items in the last six months! Shoulda paid a few coppers more. I've had such good service from eBay people for so long now that I must admit I stopped checking the feedback, I'll have to start doing it again. It also occurred to me that with the long pipe removed from the pump less is needed to reach the tee/valve, so I could pull a bit back to give me more in the engine bay should I need to mount the pump the other way up.

For the electrics I run a short length of green from a piggy-back connector on the green side of the fusebox to the +ve spade of the pump, and from the switch 'live' wire via a 2-way bullet connector a much longer length of green/black (don't have any green/blue to hand which is what the factory used on later cars) from the middle of the dash and through the main harness bulkhead grommet to the pump -ve. With the vents out there is clear access to a knurled nut on the back of the dual gauge for the earth wire from the switch. An unexpected benefit is that Bee's original manual pump nut looks like chromed plastic with some of the plastic having worn off to show white underneath, whereas the replacement is shiny bright! Only noticed from the pictures that the plunger is quite scratched though compared to Bee's, but it only took a couple of minutes to swap them over.

Even though in theory the piece I removed from between the manual pump and the tee/valve should be a bigger bore than the rest it's actually the same as the main length with the ends expanded to fit on the larger tee/valve and pump ports, and warming the two ends that go on the even larger electric pump ports with a heat gun gets those on easily, to retain the 'patina' of the old tubing ...

All done it's time for a test, and dry first with the foot valve out of the bottle, then in and water soon squirts out. Passenger side nozzle is a bit low, something not easy to notice when you are only getting short squirts with the manual pump, but the nozzle jet turns easily to be as high as the driver's side. Not that I expect to be using them until the next MOT!